Using Magic to Get Money: What the Community Actually Asks

By Terra Sigil · 2026-06-24 · Crystal Guides

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The practitioner who opens a money-magic thread rarely starts with a spell. They start with a problem framed as a question — and the question is usually not about ingredients or timing. In a 2023 Wizard Forums thread on using magic to get money (32 posts, 12 participants; 5 posts analyzed here), contributors kept circling back to the same territory: what is the right internal state, and does the outer technique even matter without it?

That debate did not resolve cleanly. What it produced instead was a record of the questions serious practitioners actually ask — about mind, about strategy, about books, about ethics. Those questions are the most useful thing the thread left behind.

Discussion statistics: 5 community records analyzed, 2 verbatim community quotes

What practitioners mean when they ask about "mind control magic"

The phrase sounds sensational, but the question behind it is not. When community members ask about magic to control the mind, they are almost always asking about their own mind — attention, belief, the internal state that is thought to make any working effective or ineffective.

The lens: in the practitioner community's view, the mind is both the obstacle and the instrument. Chaos magic traditions in particular treat belief as a technology: you work with your own psychology deliberately, not incidentally. Whether that framing appeals to you or not, it shifts the question of "how do I attract money" into "how do I train the part of me that does not believe it is possible?"

That is a different kind of work than candles and sigils. Several contributors in the thread were clearly asking about exactly this — the interior layer, not the ceremonial layer. One participant offered a pointed frame:

"Fucking Cult-like Mind Control, first i control my own mind, then i control yours" — killing raven sun, Wizard Forums, 2023

The irreverence is surface. The structure underneath it — self-first, then world — is consistent with how many experienced practitioners describe the sequence.

Sharing strategies: why experienced practitioners hedge

One of the recurring dynamics in money-magic discussions is that experienced participants are often reluctant to describe their specific methods in detail. The reasons vary: some frame their practice as deeply personal and non-transferable; others believe that spelling out a working dissolves it. Others are simply evaluating whether the question is worth a long answer.

That reluctance produced one of the more direct community requests in the thread:

"Maybe you can describe a little more about what strategies you use in this case.​" — Bo Hanson, Wizard Forums, 2023

It is a reasonable prompt. The information asymmetry in forum discussions — where experienced practitioners hold positions they have arrived at over years and newer participants are asking entry-level questions — is a genuine structural problem. The community has not solved it. What tends to happen instead is that long-tenured members share frameworks rather than recipes: think about abundance not scarcity, work on belief not just technique, identify the internal block before the external ritual.

Whether that is wisdom or evasion depends on the reader.

The experience question: abundance as state, not outcome

The sharpest conceptual tension in money-magic discussions is between two models of how magic works. In one model, you perform an action and the action produces an external result. In another, you cultivate an internal state and the external result follows from the state — or is less important than the state itself.

The second model tends to dominate in mature practitioner discussions. It reframes abundance from a target to an experience:

The facts: this is an internally contested question in the community. Whether holding an experience of abundance is sufficient, necessary, or simply adjacent to effective magic is not settled. The thread record does not show agreement on the mechanism.

The lens: for practitioners who favor the state-based model, the distinction is significant. You are not trying to feel as if money is already in your pocket as a trick — you are trying to develop a genuine, stable orientation toward sufficiency. One participant's question gets at this directly: "Then focusing on experiencing of that thing is important not having money in pocket, right?" — a question that appears to test whether they have understood the teacher's model correctly. The thread does not record whether the question received a satisfying answer.

Books and specific traditions: what gets named

When the community asks for reading recommendations in a money-magic context, they are usually asking about two different things: texts that cover the theory of wealth magic, and texts that cover the broader philosophical framework that makes the practice coherent.

The thread did not yield a settled reading list from the available posts — book recommendations in this community tend to be idiosyncratic, tied to the recommender's specific tradition. What the question "Any books you recommend or specific magic?" reveals is that the asker wants a tradition with internal logic, not just a collection of techniques. That is a more sophisticated ask than it sounds.

Traditions that appear in money-magic discussions across the broader community tend to include chaos magic (for its belief-as-technology model), older Hermetic and ceremonial approaches (for their structured frameworks around will and manifestation), and various folk magic lineages. None of these is a consensus recommendation — practitioners in different lineages often talk past each other on this question.

The ethics question: wealth, magic, and other people's money

The most structurally uncomfortable question in the thread is also the most honest one: "What's spiritually superior about living off other peoples' wealth?"

The question is not answered in the available post record. That absence is itself informative. It surfaces a tension that money-magic discussions often sidestep: if abundance magic works by attracting resources, and resources exist in a social system where wealth concentration is finite, then the ethics of the practice depend partly on assumptions about how wealth moves.

This is not a question with a clean community consensus. Some practitioners resolve it by framing money as energy with no zero-sum properties. Others don't engage the framing at all. The question stands in the thread as an open challenge, not a settled debate.

What the thread record adds up to

Across 5 posts in a Wizard Forums thread on money magic, practitioners distinguished sharply between outer technique and inner state — arguing that the experience of abundance, not the mechanics of a ritual, is where the practice lives. The thread surfaced questions about mind-control magic, recommended books, and the ethics of wealth attraction that remain openly debated.

The community record here is a record of real uncertainty, not accumulated wisdom. That might be the most useful thing it offers: a map of where the genuine hard questions are.

For a practitioner looking for a usable entry point from this record: the state-based model's practical implication is that the first step is diagnostic, not ritual. Identify the specific belief or scarcity narrative that is active — not "I don't have enough money" as an abstraction, but the concrete story running underneath that (a specific fear, a specific comparison, a specific moment you keep returning to). Work on that belief directly before attempting any outer working. Whether through journaling, deliberate reframing, or tradition-specific belief-shifting techniques, the community's consistent message is that a ritual layered over an unexamined scarcity narrative will address the symptom and not the root.

FAQ

Could you give some advice for magic to control the mind? In practitioner discussions, mind-control magic most often refers to working on one's own mind — training attention, managing belief, and developing an internal state thought to support effective working. Specific techniques vary widely by tradition: chaos magic foregrounds belief-shifting deliberately, ceremonial approaches favor structured will-training. No single method commands community consensus.

But do you have something extra since you are experienced with this? Experienced practitioners in community forums often describe frameworks rather than recipes — work on internal state before external technique, identify the belief block before the ritual. Whether that reticence reflects wisdom, tradition, or simply personal practice being non-transferable is a recurring question the community has not resolved.

Any books you recommend or specific magic? The thread did not yield a settled reading list. Traditions that appear in money-magic discussions include chaos magic, Hermetic and ceremonial lineages, and folk magic — each with its own canon. Recommendations tend to be tradition-specific; practitioners in different lineages rarely agree on a universal starting point.

Then focusing on experiencing of that thing is important not having money in pocket, right? This appears to be a question testing a state-based model of magic — where cultivating an inner experience of abundance is the operative move, not physical proximity to money. That model is widely discussed but not universally held; the community debates whether the experience must be genuine, sustained, or simply present during a working. A testable starting point: before your next working, write down the specific scarcity narrative you are carrying right now — not the goal, the obstacle belief. Attempt the working. Note whether the internal state shifted or stayed fixed. That observation gives you something concrete to work with on the next iteration, regardless of what tradition you practice in.

What's spiritually superior about living off other peoples' wealth? The available thread record does not answer this question — it stands as an open challenge. Practitioners who engage wealth-ethics questions tend to frame money as non-zero-sum energy, but that framing is contested. The question surfaces a genuine tension in abundance magic that community discussions often sidestep rather than resolve.